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"Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« on: January 17, 2012, 08:40:54 AM »
Well, without going into all the details..............someone conducted a DBT listening test, comparing old Italian violins vs some modern ones. The concluded, or so it seems, that professional violin players couldn't tell a difference. Or maybe they just preferred something different. Or whatever. Anyway, the bottom line is most of the pros supposedly could not pick out the Strads.

Of course, this sort of thing is just the subject to banter up, over at some other forum. And in the best place imaginable..................yeah, the Blowtorch thread.

It hasn't grown legs yet, but I am sure it will. You know how the J. J. Hooters are. But.....................how many will take the time to read what really happened. (Few, I'm sure.)

So, to make it easier for some of us, here is the link:

http://www.violinist.com/blog/laurie/20121/13039/

Only thing I can conclude: the test was crap.

Wasn't designed to "reveal" what it claimed it revealed. Plus, full of other little traps.

And not to mention that bit about listener fatigue, that always seems to accompany one of these earthshaking DBTs.

For those too lazy to read it:

Different folks prefer different things, and for much different reasons. Those reasons are thrown out the window, since all the test was designed to do was to prove you can't trust your ears. But, you really need to read the article, then tell me it was a good DBT. Because it wasn't!

So, there.

Comments welcome. As long as you agree with me. This post was designed for that! (Hey, at least I am honest. Stupid, maybe, but honest.)
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Re: "Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 08:50:13 AM »
Oh..........one more thing..........

The author of that link seems to indicate that violins need to break-in, or "age". No, say it ain't so!

And that strings can look good, but sound like pooh.

Oh, the humanity.

This person sounds like a...........a.............dare I say................an audiophile! Wonder if they would spend $1000 on a cable between the preamp and amp. Hmmm...........I wonder..............
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Re: "Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 10:54:43 AM »
The author of that link seems to indicate that violins need to break-in, or "age". No, say it ain't so!

Is that with or without playing on it for 24hours a day?
HA! That's so funny I forgot to laugh... excluding that first Ha.

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Re: "Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2012, 02:28:57 PM »
According to this guy,

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090122141228.htm

it was the snake oil used to treat the wood that distinguishes the various Italian fiddles.



OK, worms are like little snakes, right?

And it was anti-worm oil.

Same idea.  Probably what is used in those fuses and cables, too.

What the study proves is that you can fool all of the people all of the time, I guess.  Not only is there a dupe born every minute, it's been like that for centuries.  How sad.

I wonder...  If the DBT advocates were placed in a comfortable room, blind folded, and ear plugged, could they reliably choose their wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend/etc. out of a similar selection of naked beings.  Talk about testing under stress...

No double blind testing was used in the making of this post.

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Re: "Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 06:41:09 AM »
Things are slowly starting to roll, over where they also talk about the Blowtorch preamp (sans schematic).

Someone gave this link:

http://www.thestrad.com/BlogArticle.asp?bID=196

I haven't fully read it, but it has this gem, right up front:

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I remember coming out of the room exhausted by the mental effort of hearing, verbalising and choosing continuously for an hour.

Ah........the rigors of undergoing a "scientifically conducted" DBT listening test. Which is the whole problem with them! Anyone who has ever done will most likely never do another one. They are fatiguing, and, well............not really much fun. Oh, they aren't supposed to be fun, their advocates will say. And if they are fatiguing, then they weren't done properly.

No, they were done properly. They get the results the "researchers" wanted all along: we can't hear, and they proved it.

End of story.
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Re: "Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 12:15:32 PM »
No double blind testing was used in the making of this post.

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Re: "Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 02:49:24 AM »
I wonder...  If the DBT advocates were placed in a comfortable room, blind folded, hand tied together, ear plugged and someone giving them blowjob, could they reliably choose between man/woman doing the job???

And all those DBT advocates should use Trololo music
Never argue with a fool,
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then beat you with their experience!!!

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Re: "Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 04:13:04 AM »
Forgot the nose.

Perfume is a dead giveaway.

Or, perhaps not.

This might be a good example of how expectation bias works.  Take away the blindfold, the ear plugs, and whatever is stuffed up the snout.  Now, imagine this person being the, ahh, test administrator.



Now what?
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Re: "Whats all this DBT listening stuff, anyhow?"
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 02:05:49 AM »
As the Human Gas Chromatograph, I don't think I would last long enough, to worry about who, or is it what, is the test administrator. Someone would die.
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"Danby. D-A-N-B-Y."
"Take him out and shoot him."
"Sir?"
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