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Title: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on May 26, 2010, 11:36:17 AM
Sorry, bub, you won't find any, here.

You won't find any, anywhere.

"Then why do you insist on tormenting us like this? Leading to believe that you actually have them?"

Just to prove a point.

"And just exactly what point is that? And why is it so damn important?"

It isn't really that important. I am just persistent. And trying to overcome someone who is stubborn.

Anyway...............the point being that sticking "Blowtorch preamp schematics", on any thread, will suck in DIYers, via Google.

Even when it has absolutely nothing to do with the famed preamp.

Thanks for reading this, and proving my point!

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 23, 2010, 09:54:59 AM
I found one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Haven't tried it yet. A few things on my bench have to be cleared off, before I can try.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 23, 2010, 10:59:57 AM
That is so good, I don't know where to start.

Works only moderately well as computer screen wallpaper, though.  The Outlook icon always seems to get stuck in the Holy Water.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 23, 2010, 11:08:16 AM
The LOOK OUT! icon is not good enough to be in the Holy Water.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 23, 2010, 11:59:29 AM
That was probably the problem.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: tommy_t on June 23, 2010, 02:27:14 PM
I found one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Haven't tried it yet. A few things on my bench have to be cleared off, before I can try.

I wasn't able to download it until I logged in.  Allowing guests to be able to download attachments requires a config change in the forum software I think.  Or are you trying to prevent guests from downloading the Blowtorch preamp schematics and just limit access to members?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 23, 2010, 02:29:05 PM
I think this is how all the forums work nowadays.  diyaudio, diyhifi, audiocircle, even the diy-whatever-engineering one.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 23, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
Not sure I want the usual suspects from The Pub, Greaser's Palace, or whatever riff-raff Google drags here, or just about anyone trolling for design help, to bug us.

It might backfire. I could get more registration requests. We shall have to see how things progress.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: zinsula on June 24, 2010, 02:38:57 PM
Not sure I want the usual suspects from The Pub, Greaser's Palace, or whatever riff-raff Google drags here, or just about anyone trolling for design help, to bug us.

It might backfire. I could get more registration requests. We shall have to see how things progress.

Jocko

Too late. I've already hacked this forum s/w and downloaded the very interesting Blowtorch schematic on my HD in case I'll be banned from this place. :o
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: mrjam on June 28, 2010, 01:18:33 AM
I've the schematics of all the revisions of the CTC Blowtorch preamp on my PC. I've send them to the administrator so he can put them in the download section.

However... I don't understand the huge interest in these circuits, the transistors are unobtainable, how can a diy'er find them?

If one wants an approximate clone, he can buy something in Sweden!
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 28, 2010, 06:29:05 AM
Who did you send them to, and when? If you mean "Jocko", I can assure you I do not have them. Unless you did it years ago.

You know I can not remember anything.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on June 29, 2010, 04:34:45 AM
Quote from: john curl
It would appear that it will be virtually impossible for anyone but Erno Borbely or me to build an accurate Vendetta preamp.

WOW, then Erno Borbely should be able to build accurate Blowtorch preamplifier too?   :o
We should contact him and organize biggest GROUP BUY in history for BLOWTORCH pcb's  ;)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 29, 2010, 09:31:07 AM
I don't know him, so "we" are putting you in charge of that.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 29, 2010, 09:33:19 AM
Who did you send them to, and when? If you mean "Jocko", I can assure you I do not have them. Unless you did it years ago.

You know I can not remember anything.

Jocko

Well, I have to apologize. Yes, it seems Mr. Jam did send me the schematics, a while back, on a CD-ROM. But, I have misplaced it. Which is bad news, because in that stack of CD-ROMs was some service manuals, for some of our broken lab gear. No idea where any of it is now.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Joseph K on June 29, 2010, 01:26:21 PM
Jocko! You mean the CD with 3585 manuals that I had sent to You? No prob, can re-send.

Ciao, George

Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 29, 2010, 07:26:54 PM
I'll let you know if I need them.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on August 04, 2010, 10:05:57 AM
Hey guys....................

Do we need to reconsider letting guests view attachments? We are getting more attention, now that someone at this place (http://www.diy-audio-engineering.org/) has discovered us.

What to do??

(Amazing how something this lame can draw attention, without any effort to draw attention. Who needs SEO, when you have Blowtorch preamp schematics?)

(And guinea pigs, shot out of cannons. And jelly donuts!!)

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on August 06, 2010, 03:54:42 PM
No one? Surely, at least one of you has an opinion on this.

"No, and don't call me 'Shirley'."

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on August 09, 2010, 06:03:55 PM
I've been... away.

Doesn't seem to me like attachments for everyone would hurt anything - no reason not to share.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on August 12, 2010, 09:53:38 AM
Our newest member, Tater Head, claims to have a wealth of actual Blowtorch Preamplifier Schematics.

Now................if he can only find them................

Hope this does not turn out to be another "I sent them to you"................."I didn't get them" fiasco. I think we lost a valued member, over that affair.

Oh well.

So, we need to encourage Tater Head to get busy, and find his secret stash. For those of you who don't know, his real name is:

Raymond Luxury Yacht.

"No, it is spelled Raymond Luxury Yacht, but it is pronounced Throat-warbler Mangrove."

Tune in tomorrow, for another episode of Monty Python Rip-off Theater.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on August 12, 2010, 10:43:55 AM
Actually... "it's spelt Raymond: Luxury Yach-t"

You must've chosen him due to the favorable-for-audio dielectric characteristic of his nose.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on August 13, 2010, 08:55:28 AM
Our non-native English-speaker members may not understand the accent emphasis, so I omitted it, out of respect to them.

Yes, it is polystyrene! How observant.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on August 13, 2010, 09:25:41 AM
Thoughtful, as always.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on August 13, 2010, 11:02:57 AM
maybe they will post Blowtorch schematic: http://www.linearaudio.net/index.php (http://www.linearaudio.net/index.php)

All very well known authors, including some of Jocko's favorites  ;D No JC among them - not yet  ;)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on August 13, 2010, 12:18:43 PM
Blowtorch preamplifier schematics.......................................there?...............not bloody likely.

I can think of worse people who could have contributed. Starting with the Swede who's name shall not be mentioned.

(Hi! to all the rest of the folks in Sweden, who are reading this drivel. Why, I don't know...............)

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on August 13, 2010, 02:23:55 PM
Perhaps Jacques Merde will contribute there.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on August 14, 2010, 11:16:41 AM
Someone will have to go and fetch him. I can't, for obvious reasons.

Jocko
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 11, 2010, 07:25:55 PM
Speaking of "non-native English speakers", I would like to welcome another, to our gang of misfits and miscreants. Namely, Oncle Tom.

Oncle Tom is an expert, in all things "potato". So, I suggest we abandon launching guinea pigs and donuts, and switch to potatoes. I expect "Oncle" to be of great help, in our efforts.

(He better be! If he knows what is good for him.)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 12, 2010, 05:51:51 AM
Welcome Oncle Tom!

Quote
Oncle Tom is an expert, in all things "potato". So, I suggest we abandon launching guinea pigs and donuts, and switch to potatoes. I expect "Oncle" to be of great help, in our efforts.

My children's guinea pigs are saying: "Thank you General for saving us and piglets"  ;D

(http://jockohomo.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17.0;attach=77)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 12, 2010, 07:39:06 AM
THEIR EYES ARE RED! They must be spawns of the devil. (Yes, the real one. Not the DIY one.) No, that bunch looks too dangerous to spare.

Prepare to launch!
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 12, 2010, 12:24:06 PM
My crappy digital camera. If i launch them, my wife will suck all blood out of me. Better to launch her  ;)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 12, 2010, 11:20:28 PM
Does she like jelly-filled donuts?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 13, 2010, 02:43:42 PM
Should I launch jelly-filled donut into her mouth?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 13, 2010, 03:34:04 PM
She has to be blind-folded and her ears plugged so she doesn't have any preconceived notion which donut she is tasting.

You also have to blind-folded and gagged so that you don't know which donut you are shooting to prevent giving any clues to the tester.

Could be messy.

I suppose that if you fired from far enough away so that there's no possibility of her even knowing where you are, you don't have to be blind-folded or gagged.

That could be messy, too.  But you'd be leaving the gagging to her then.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 13, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
You are "couching" me, I have already made up my mind, we need someone other to perform this test.
Who agrees to a test devised by a university?  ;D
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 14, 2010, 09:36:04 AM
Hmmm...........are we trying to train someone to be a forward artillery spotter, or what? No, it really has to be double blind. The person launching the donuts also has to be blindfolded. No telling where they will land! Which will increase the comedy factor when someone gets one right between the eyes.

Or anywhere, facially-speaking.

Could make for a great new "reality" TV show. Now, we just have to think up an angle, to pitch it to TV execs. Shouldn't be hard: they are all dim bulbs, without any creative abilities.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 14, 2010, 10:04:11 AM
Naw.

Just make a YouTube video of this, and let it go viral.  That will reduce the pitching time and associated irritable bowel syndrome issues.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 15, 2010, 05:46:27 AM
I already have irritable bowel syndrome issues. Most of it caused by anything containing whey. Legumes................possibly onions. And more, just not sure what!

Translation: guess what is left to eat? (Now I know why they say life begins after 50. Some start. No wonder Phred didn't plan to live past it.) (Obviously, he failed.)

But, a good suggestion. IBS issues, withstanding.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 15, 2010, 03:20:28 PM
If you need, I have something for you. Helps cure gastritis, indigestion, stomach ache, intestinal problems.
Traditional folk medicine, produced only in my country. It helped me several times.
For this medicine I'm grateful to my grandmother, God bless her soul (she died over 30 yrs ago).
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 22, 2010, 11:47:00 AM
All quiet on the GI front. At least, this week.............
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on January 26, 2011, 04:36:26 AM
Looks familiar (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/181894-jfet-mosfet-complementary-differential-preamplifier.html)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on January 26, 2011, 09:54:38 AM
Not balanced output.  Loop feedback.

The rest is just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on January 26, 2011, 10:17:42 AM
"Lookit me.............I got something to sell.................."

Typical DIYer. They all have something, to sell. Schmucks.

The Devil once told me, why he ran the second leg of the diff pair through the gain stage (emitter) resistor. I forget, but it wasn't anything profound. Had something to do with getting a larger voltage drop. The guesses I have heard...............yeah, all are way off the mark.

I have an idea....................let's take an old Nelson Pass design.......and we can start a new forum.........and give away PCBs for it, and................

Where did I hear that, before? Oh, yeah................Jam!

Thanks, Jam.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on January 26, 2011, 01:55:06 PM
How about a Lin design instead?

Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on January 27, 2011, 04:13:55 AM
Typical DIYer. They all have something, to sell. Schmucks.

There goes my dreams of wealth.  (Fame is way over rated.)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on January 28, 2011, 05:35:50 PM
http://xkcd.com/730/ (http://xkcd.com/730/)

Title: The plot thickens.........
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on April 11, 2012, 05:41:57 PM
Or, in reality, sickens.

Ok, this is old stuff, but someone over at The Pub brought this up.

http://www.moxtone.com/Uskok%20Preamplifier.htm#schema (http://www.moxtone.com/Uskok%20Preamplifier.htm#schema)

This comic genius, of sorts. On one hand, he claims that DIYers steal the ideas of other folk. Because that is what they do. But, he then goes on to say "You better not use this for commercial purposes!"

Considering it is (in theory) derived from the fabled Blowtorch preamp discussions (on some other forum), then one could say it is a reasonable facsimile of the actual Blowtorch schematic.

Would that mean The Devil can't use his own schematic?

Funny stuff.

The real funny stuff is the prologue. He states what he has done, but denies it. And blames the accuser.

Is this guy really an American lawyer? Sure sounds like it!!!!

The bit where he takes swipes at a certain very well-known IC op amp designer............I have no idea what that is all about. But, it sure is funny. Even if only partially (if at all) true.

Anyway, those of you have been sucked in, looking for Blowtorch Preamp Schematics...............we got another one! Thank you, oh great almighty evil Google Empire.

(Translation: if you believe every damn thing you see or read, on the 'Net, I have a certain bridge I would like you to consider purchasing.)

Enjoy.......... suckas.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on April 12, 2012, 05:17:25 AM
"Do as I say, not as I do" must be more of a world-wide concept than I thought.

Love those big toroid power transformers...   :-X
Title: I have no idea who this guy is..................
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on April 27, 2012, 02:04:27 PM
But he sure has a way to get under the skin, of the usual crowd, at The Pub.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2274.html#post3003427 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2274.html#post3003427)

Although I am partial to The Rutles version:

"I know you know what you are but you should know by now that you're not me."

Or, to put it another way..................

I am not who you think I am. Yet, some of you think you know.

Good............keep up the good work.............think what you want, because you are almost always wrong.

(Even when you copy my work.)

Back to our regular programming.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 10, 2012, 09:55:51 PM
Is anyone still reading War and Peace, over at The Pub?

If so, can anyone 'splain to me wtf "micro DC" is? Sorry, my Canuck to Redneck transmogifier is broken. I can not de-gobbledoogook it.

Ok, to be honest............about the only thing he says that I can remotely understand is his new signature. Anything would be an improvement over his old one. Whether is true or not...................not my problem!

I have enough, as it is. Like why I can't eat pizza any longer........

(And some of you folks still wonder why I am in a grouchy mode.)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 11, 2012, 05:02:06 AM
Maybe this?

(http://www.manager.co.th/asp-bin/Image.aspx?ID=1353972)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on June 11, 2012, 10:58:22 AM
Real "micro"

Seagreen, you are good with explanations. Please explain to me, could power supply (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/212476-well-regulated-power-supply-6.html#post3055691) be made even more complicated?

 :o
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 11, 2012, 11:25:09 AM
Put two in parallel to reduce the impedance by a factor of two?

The goofy thing is that many of the challenges of power supplies aren't even addressed!
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on June 11, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
Yeah, three in a row then three in parallel, to maintain balanced operation in all 4 quadrants  ;)

To me, funniest thing is that he is using feed-forward shunt as suggested by Maxim in the EDN article (http://www.edn-europe.com/reducingoutputvoltagenoiseinpowersupplies+article+1868+Europe.html), but there are more appropriate solutions in the very same article.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 11, 2012, 02:07:28 PM
As long as he's happy...

Personally, it's way too complicated for me.  I can imagine how the electrons feel.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 11, 2012, 09:38:46 PM
Since I can not read it, anyone want to let me in on the joke?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on June 11, 2012, 11:43:09 PM
ups, sorry. Here we go:
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: zinsula on June 12, 2012, 02:43:16 AM
Wow...intimidating. I'm too lazy to even figure out how it works.
La grande complicazione....and at the end, it tells only the time, isn't it?

(http://jockohomo.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17.0;attach=192)

Maybe in the case of this regulator, it tells it even worse than a CLCRC, which is less affected by PSRR degradation up into the MHz than an OpAmp, and followed by a more simple regulator.
And why not use schottkys instead of MBR rectifier diodes, currents and voltages are low anyway?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: zinsula on June 12, 2012, 02:50:34 AM
Since I can not read it, anyone want to let me in on the joke?
You really should ask Phred for a log in, he may have still some spare......
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 12, 2012, 04:18:07 AM
Yeah, but caps, resistors, and especially inductors are so low tech.  Only a couple terminals each, too.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 12, 2012, 02:13:49 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.diyhifi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2220&p=45798#p45791 (http://www.diyhifi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2220&p=45798#p45791)

He'll be sorry, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 12, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
ups, sorry. Here we go:

OK.............logged in.................now I see it.

This is going to be good.

I don't think Zane Grey Rollins could make something with that many parts.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 12, 2012, 05:28:21 PM
You haven't been around many big companies lately, have you?

Complexity is its own reward.

But, wanna bet it has great micro DC performance?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 13, 2012, 12:31:51 AM
You haven't been around many big companies lately, have you?

Obviously..............no!
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 13, 2012, 03:56:52 AM
It's not polite to brag about such things.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on July 07, 2012, 11:59:48 PM
Quote
Audio is an hobby for me, and audio forum is the place where I can learn something every day.

Really?

REALLY!!

REALLY!!

Gee, who would have guessed.

Now, as to the part about learning..............

You first have to pay attention. And, then, actually listen.

I think it is time for another 1-year vacation, from that place. I don't post; it dies. I post, and it awakens, to something just as bad as it was. Different cast of characters. Possibly more entertaining.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on July 08, 2012, 05:07:25 AM
They all lack Google skills.  I don't get this.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on July 08, 2012, 06:01:26 AM
Not only lack Google skills, but lack reading skills too.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on July 25, 2012, 01:55:23 PM
Might belong under "Probably None of Our Bidnis", but since it is in The MegaThread..........

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2494.html#post3104464 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2494.html#post3104464)

Followed by the usual. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on July 25, 2012, 04:57:06 PM
You can almost plot the trajectory for these, can't you? 

So, do some of these guys build their own gear because they want to build something that sounds better, even though they know that's not possible, or are they just cheap?

On that patent...  Just take a look.  I'm not sure I agree with the comment that most equipment built now has good mains filtering, though.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on July 26, 2012, 05:20:37 AM
I think their motivation is "Look, I can build stuff, and it sounds just as good as the expensive stuff!" And, to them, it does.

I think he meant to say that good gear makes an attempt to address filtering the line, at some level. Most are probably not successful, but a lot of the better hi-end outfits realize AC line noise is something that can not be ignored.

I think that is what he meant to say..........

But, the gist is...........

He heard something, said "Huh, what causes that?", and used his noggin, and looked into it. Have to admit, I did not think to measure the z of the AC input. But he did, and guess what?

The usual trajectory!
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on July 26, 2012, 08:37:11 AM
Columbus took the same kind of crap.

So... Making an observation, and then doing the real engineering part, as demanded, complete with measurements, doesn't matter.  The usual trajectory.  Then, just what is the point?  What is it that they want?

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2498.html#post3105265 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2498.html#post3105265)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: zinsula on July 26, 2012, 09:27:36 AM
[...]What is it that they want?[...]

Bashing the successful (in the Upper Level Audio business) ones...jealousy?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on July 26, 2012, 03:04:44 PM
...a lot of people are just narrow-minded. They put limits on themselves, since they can't live without them. Anything outside their limits they are considering "vodoo magic", impossible, nonsense, imagination,...
Title: Give this guy a medal............
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on July 28, 2012, 01:50:02 PM
For putting up with a petty insult, and turning it back around:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2511.html#post3107552 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2511.html#post3107552)

BTW, "Are we done yet?"

As long as you point out that obscure audiophile observed phenomenon might be real, and can have a scientific explanation, then the answer is "NO!" They won't stop until you cry "No mas", or get booted.

Speaking of which.........a certain hoser probably won't be there in the morning. (See following page............no link given, as I doubt it will remain. Read it before it goes "poof!")
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on July 28, 2012, 01:54:28 PM
They need to change their motto:

"It all sounds the same, but we can make stuff that measures better than yours."

So, if it sounds the same, who cares how it measures?

"Because we can make stuff that measures better than yours."

I'm sure it does. But, wanna bet mine sounds better?

If you want to get in a contest who can make something that measures better, let's build low-jitter clocks!

"Won't matter, because bits is bits, and it all sounds the same."

Just keep telling yourself that.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on July 29, 2012, 04:12:08 PM
Yeah, this motto is so true  :)

But, if clock A measures better than clock B, can clock B sounds better than clock A?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on August 28, 2012, 06:28:41 PM
Anyone watching the newest incarnation of the Blowtorch thread? IOW, the Discrete Op-Amp thread.

Really funny. One guy complains that all Dick Marsh wants is a free lunch, because he asks questions, but won't post any schematics. ("You only sell yours.")*

Don't know Dick, but I seriously doubt he is pulling a "collecting the facts" fishing expedition, like the Perasite does.

Wonder if he had any issues with that? Probably not...............


* = Can't imagine why anyone would want to post schematics. You either get ripped off, or a new butt hole opened up. A losing proposition, in both cases.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on August 29, 2012, 03:10:17 AM
* = Can't imagine why anyone would want to post schematics. You either get ripped off, or a new butt hole opened up.
More likely, both.  No good deed goes unpunished...

It's interesting how some people's demeanor changes from thread to thread.  Quite civil and reasonable on one, maybe not so much on the other.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on August 29, 2012, 03:18:13 AM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, a fellow offered up an earnest commentary on the state of things. Wildly divergent responses that I predict will be Category 2 by the end of the day have been spawned.

OT, maybe...  Although rarely mentioned, does anybody give real thought to system issues and interactions?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on September 02, 2012, 09:30:33 PM
Meanwhile, back at the Blowtorch thread, the one without actual Blowtorch preamp schematics...............

(Notice how many times I manage to sneak in the magic key phrase? Drive up them Google ratings, y'all!)

This guy is a charter member of the "It all sounds alike" crowd. So, why does he DIY? (At least he is honest, which is a step towards honesty many others should embrace.)

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2715.html#post3149789 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2715.html#post3149789)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on September 03, 2012, 05:18:19 AM
It only gets worse.

Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: zinsula on September 03, 2012, 08:32:03 AM
Look at that:
(http://jockohomo.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17.0;attach=206)

Now, the only thing Apple needs, are the Blowtorch Preamp Schematics to integrate the Blowtorch into the I-Phone. Maybe into the I-Phone 6??

Anyone knows someone there to hand out the Blowtorch Preamp Schematics?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: zinsula on September 03, 2012, 09:12:28 AM
Hey, you can see the Blowtorch preamp schematics in the background of this video!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLZ9NW17ekEt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLZ9NW17ekEt)!!!!!

Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on September 03, 2012, 10:42:02 AM
This Blowtorch video is excellent!!! I can see opamps, those are probably DC servo, as John Curl mentioned in his Blowtorch preamplifier thread.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 18, 2012, 08:53:49 AM
They are still at it...............now demanding The Devil produce the only remaining Blowtorch, so they can subject it to a DBT.

Which will prove nothing (assuming it would be provided!), other than they either can't hear, their systems are crap, DBTs are a waste of time, or all 3. You chose.

Aided by the old claim that since recordings are made on boards that are full of hundreds of op amps (yes, we know that..............which is why they sound like they are made on boards full of hundreds of op amps), that the speaker distortion will swamp all of that distortion. Which then leads to "All gear sounds alike, because the speaker is the main offender."

So, why do they still post schematics for amps and stuff with invisible THD numbers? I thought it all sounds alike?

And the usual "On what page can I find a Blowtorch preamp schematic?"

I suppose it will lose its comedic appeal.............eventually. All of their arguments all sound alike.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 18, 2012, 11:57:51 AM
Maybe this will be like sunspots with a somewhat unpredictable but reliable cycle.  With the occasional flare, of course.

As for proving nothing, it's kind of like this:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=E8zwnXjIjPM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE8zwnXjIjPM (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=E8zwnXjIjPM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE8zwnXjIjPM)

But, this is three in one.  That's inflation for ya.

Oh, and BTW, for those guys who said that only uneducated audio morons think that IMD can be caused by such things as connectors and wires...

http://www.rfp2.com/pdf/tech-wp-Intermodulation.pdf (http://www.rfp2.com/pdf/tech-wp-Intermodulation.pdf)

Those damned IEC idiots.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 18, 2012, 06:45:47 PM
NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are using +43 dBm.

(I think I should insert some form of smiley doo-hickey. Which one is left to the reader.)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 19, 2012, 03:47:00 AM
That's +92 dBmV to you, Bub.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 23, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
A classic reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote
Well, some of us trust our ears. You choose not to. That's your right.

Uh...........you may choose to believe your ears. The rest of us know they don't work worth a damn. The stuff between them has rendered them ineffective.

Man..............they never give up, and get more silly with every day.

For those of you who may be new to this.............

Some folks only believe in DBTs. The rest of us know they are crap, despite claims that all research uses DBTs. (So what?) Audio DBTs are actually good at one thing: causing listener fatigue, so that everything really does sound alike.

So, they believe their ears. Even when they are provoked into fibbing.

That, in a nutshell, is the crux.

And the rest of us are the delusional ones..............
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 24, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
How 'bout double blind and double deaf test, like proposed here (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/223226-sound-op-amps-5.html#post3236432)?

1. Nothing is better than pizza!
2. Hamburger is better than nothing!
3. Hamburger is better than pizza!??

 ;D
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 25, 2012, 01:45:02 PM
"In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." - Sayre's law, as stated by Charles Issawi.

If that's their idea of fun, well, what can I say?

Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 25, 2012, 06:23:03 PM
Damn you guys.

I went back to look at the thread leading up to the Classic Reply and what followed.

Am I correct in my interpretation that the quotee is saying that he can't hear any difference, that DBTs back him up, and therefore that everybody hears what he (and some others) hear or don't hear?

Help me out, here.

I won't ask my follow up of why these guys waste even a minute on an audio design forum of any kind.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on January 26, 2013, 06:52:18 PM
The last 2 days have been classic!

Quote
I suspect that they don't publicly sneer dismissively about their customers. That's reserved for the audio fashion industry.

Sorry, bub, but you are not the customer. Your boss is the customer. He is sneering at you, because you are a PITA.

Get it?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on January 27, 2013, 04:32:48 AM
Wine, whine - what's the difference?  I never get that right.

My favorite part is an observation made by one seemingly reasonable poster.  That is, certain types of XLR females get permanently damaged by oversized XLR males used on some popular cables.

The response to that:

Crickets

Some of these guys have probably been waiting for years for a chance to skewer The Devil.   This is it?  Will they be happy now?  Tune in next week...
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on February 14, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
Can they get any sodding lazier?

The Devil puts up a copy of Solomon's paper, where he 'splains how lowering gm increases slew rate. Necessary, as one of them challenged him on this concept. But, he can not be bothered to read it!!!!!!!!!!!

Before, it was "Not fair..........we don't have access to what it written over there" excuse. Give it to them, and they find another excuse. They really are too much.

And obviously not as bright as they want to pretend they are. Schmucks.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Kryten on February 17, 2013, 04:14:16 AM
"The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when incompetent people not only fail to realise their incompetence, but consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. Basically, they're too stupid to know that they're stupid.
If you have no doubts whatsoever about your brilliance, you could just be that damn good. On the other hand......"

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect)

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Igon_Value_Problem (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Igon_Value_Problem)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Stewie on February 17, 2013, 05:17:59 PM
http://www.dilbert.com/2013-01-18/ (http://www.dilbert.com/2013-01-18/)
Title: How Much ?....
Post by: Kryten on February 17, 2013, 06:12:47 PM
I think I need one for my hifi...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w&feature=youtu.be)

Dan.
Title: Re: Dunning - Kruger Effect
Post by: Kryten on February 17, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
Management speak is a method of concealing ignorance by using lots of long words which other people don't know the meaning of...."If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
We have all heard it before, so how come management persists......they must think we are stupider than they are...
Come to think of it, there are plenty of audio accessory companies from this school....
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Management_speak (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Management_speak)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on February 18, 2013, 08:25:51 PM

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect)


That link is funny..............using sodding Al Franken as an expert on who is a "****ing moron".

Come to think of it............he should be, since he is the biggest one I can think of.
Title: He doth protest too much....................
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on February 25, 2013, 12:01:54 PM
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-3584.html#post3385556 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-3584.html#post3385556)

So much easier ways. Such as:

1.) Don't read it any longer. I'm sure their server will enjoy the lighter load.
2.) If you still feel the need to read it, then don't post!
3.) Or, you could do what a lot of us have done: criticize the mods. Especially how they run the place, instigate some of the controversy (best when they go back, and edit/delete their dubious posts!), and question the integrity of their group sales, and how the guys who run them seem to end up as mods. (Just my imgaination, I'm sure. At least in the good ol' days.)

There is 3a., which is to turn into Phred. That will solve your problem, and gives us a brief burst of entertainment.

Isn't he one of the malcontents, that went to that other malcontent, technical forum? The one where none of us received an invite!

Who was the guy who started that? And what ever happened to him?
Title: ...as a tiger...
Post by: MystereoN on February 25, 2013, 01:09:08 PM
Me would prefer options 3a.

ďIt is better to live for one day as a tiger than to live for a thousand years as a sheep.Ē
Title: I Don't Think The Intended Recipient 'Got It'....
Post by: Kryten on February 26, 2013, 07:15:24 AM
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/162477-diy-schumann-resonator-7.html#post2152186 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/162477-diy-schumann-resonator-7.html#post2152186)

Quote
Originally Posted by SY 
Bingo.

Try blind testing.
Quote
First we have to test your psychological and cognitive literacy. This has been done, over thousands of posts. It has been found to be wanting, to the point that it intrudes in others lives in a manner that is socially and culturally unacceptable when it comes to a workable system of human social interaction.

As for the levels of intrusion and systematic derision of others on a continual level, with regard to this forum, you should not be allowed moderation capacities. You need to have your stripes ripped from your shoulders, son. Perhaps that would teach you a modicum of respect, but I seriously doubt it - As your history on this forum has so clearly shown.

As for Sy, Scott Wurcer, and others who may intrude here, go away, and don't come back. You seriously, in all ways, don't to have the right to run roughshod over threads like these.

If you want a better forum, that advances all aspects of audio and how humans integrate with this world and each other, then leave this thread and don't come back.

If you can't stop being a animalistic on the social level with regard to things you don't understand - then learn, at the least, to stay away. You'll be a better person for it.

It just needed to be said...
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on February 27, 2013, 12:24:32 AM
That is 3 years old! Man, think of all the entertainment I missed.

Oh, well. The play (and players) remains the same. Just different things to display their elitism.
Title: Psycho or BiPolar....
Post by: Kryten on February 27, 2013, 05:37:08 AM
Three years old and he (they) still don't 'get it'....IOW they are likely never going to 'get it'.
The 'entertainment' ?....the same boring crap from the same eediots....intelligent eediots, but eediots none the less....not quite the complete six pack actually......maladjusted morons....they should have gotten the cane at school, if only to socialise them !.

Required reading is...
"This group, the subject of this book, displays a personality disorder rooted in lying, manipulation, deceit, egocentricity, callousness, and other potentially destructive traits. This personality disorder, one of the first to be described in the psychiatric literature, is psychopathy"
http://www.sel.eesc.usp.br/informatica/graduacao/material/etica/private/snakes_in_suits_-_when_psycophats_go_to_work.pdf (http://www.sel.eesc.usp.br/informatica/graduacao/material/etica/private/snakes_in_suits_-_when_psycophats_go_to_work.pdf).
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/snakes-in-suits-when-psychopaths-go-to-work/story-e6frg8no-1111112236244 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/snakes-in-suits-when-psychopaths-go-to-work/story-e6frg8no-1111112236244)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_in_Suits:_When_Psychopaths_Go_to_Work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_in_Suits:_When_Psychopaths_Go_to_Work)



PS - this just popped up on my smart phone news feed ! - collective consciousness ?.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/02/26/3696402.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/02/26/3696402.htm) ...read the comments section too.
 
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on February 27, 2013, 11:24:02 PM
The best part is how they are all decrying the poor quality of posts, as of late, how little useful info there is, and can it get any worse, etc. Yet, rather than contribute something useful, or stay out of it and STFU, they act like dogs, and pee on the fire hydrant, as they walk by.

Gee, if it is that bad, then stop keeping it alive! Making fun of the rodeo clown may be funny, but no more useful than telling us (over and over) that all of this has been known for years, and bringing it back up serves no purpose.

Except for maybe someone just learning this crap. They may not have been born, 30 years ago, when you claim all these problems were fixed.

(If they have been solved, then why does a PGA2310 sound like it has a cheap op-amp inside it?)
Title: REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on April 20, 2013, 11:24:09 PM
Quote
I will remind you again - that this is a public forum where discussion or criticism of designs and projects is welcome. No matter how old, or how successful the design or project.

It's a public forum. It's a DIY forum.

Unless one of the Unmutuals does it. Then we are booted, since we are a danger, to the Community.

"Number 86 has a confession. Number Two.................is unmutual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

(http://sharonkgilbert.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/PrisonerCOM2.jpg)

"This is a local shop............for local people only!"
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on April 21, 2013, 04:16:31 AM
Years pass, and the pigs learn to walk upright, carry whips, and wear clothes. The Seven Commandments are reduced to a single phrase: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

Animal Farm by George Orwell

 :-X
Title: Re: REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: seagreen on April 21, 2013, 05:41:58 AM
Quote
I will remind you again - that this is a public forum where discussion or criticism of designs and projects is welcome. No matter how old, or how successful the design or project.

It's a public forum. It's a DIY forum.
I think that was directed at the poopee, not the pooper.  Naturally. 

Don't complain if you get crapped on, no matter how biased or unfair it is.  But, don't be questioning the blessed ones.  Or the Central Scrutinizers.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on May 20, 2013, 04:04:54 AM
This is an interesting set of comments presented by a highly regarded guy.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/equipment-tools/205304-low-distortion-audio-range-oscillator-269.html#post3490480 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/equipment-tools/205304-low-distortion-audio-range-oscillator-269.html#post3490480)

Why these comments might be accepted as accurate in that discussion but ridiculed in some others is kind of mysterious. 
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on May 22, 2013, 01:15:38 PM
Only to someone who has never read that crap!

In other news..................our buddy, Bob Cordell, contributes something very useful, and he gets the same treatment The Devil does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those ankle biters..................what a pain.

Seriously, hats off to Bob, for coming through. I think he did a good job, on that app note. Useful, lots of ideas............good job. A throwback to the old days, when companies put out good stuff, on paper. Now, they just  throw some crap out there, usually written by some idiot Jr. Engineer, who frequently get things wrong. (Is anyone at TI reading this?)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on May 22, 2013, 06:51:34 PM
Bob gets worse treatment still, later on.  He handles it very well.  Good for him.

I am going to make an effort to work "weakly nonlinear" into at least one conversation this week.  Just to see...
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 04, 2013, 10:58:47 AM
Based on a recommendation, I just reread the first couple dozen pages of the original Blowtorch thread. 

Amazing stuff.

I admire some people for being so resolute in their beliefs that they have stuck with them for close to a decade.  No matter what.

Curious fact: A most reasonable and perceptive participant early on was based in... Paris.

Another curiosity:  At the time, there was a lot of discussion over capacitor characteristics, like DA.  I think the general conclusion was that all or most of it was bunk.  (!)  But, here's the thing... If you visit any of the more technical sources that discuss room acoustics, they all emphasize reverberation time as an important ingredient for a "good sounding" room.  I don't think anybody tests for that with electronics.  More bunk?  (I bet mentioning averaged FFTs here would cause a puppy riot.  Or whatever that riot was about.)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on June 04, 2013, 03:28:23 PM
You're a brave soul. Not sure I could stand to go back to square one. It might give me nightmares!

Now we argue how everything else is also a waste of resources. So, that is "progress"!
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on June 04, 2013, 04:38:40 PM
Honestly, it's all summer repeats now.  I could point you to any page, and if the dates were deleted, you'd swear the entries were posted last week.

Except one particular moderator has become far more blunt and insulting over the years.

And, a lot of early posters have either been exiled, sent to the gulag, or ran off to the gulag on their own. 
Title: Hypocrite alert!!!!
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on July 10, 2013, 09:51:30 AM
Quote
Since it is well known for a long time that a non-linearity enclosed in a feedback loop creates new harmonics even from the simplest mathematical treatment, I don't see how this issue could be approached in a way that has nothing to do with previous results.

Yeah, but why is it that when someone points out they prefer amps built with topologies that have a lower open-loop gain (hint: at the expense of throwing some away, to linearize  it) that the same people find some excuse why that is BS?

It boggles the mind.........................
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on July 10, 2013, 05:50:33 PM
Hokey smoke!  I was just coming here to point out that thread of, ahh, reasoning.    :-X


guild or gild [gild]

n.

         1. an organization of persons with related interests, goals, etc., esp. one formed for mutual aid or protection.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on July 11, 2013, 05:38:07 AM
"A fanatic is a man who consciously over compensates a secret doubt." - Aldous Huxley (between acid flashes)
Title: REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on August 10, 2013, 03:09:21 AM
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4235.html#post3591134 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4235.html#post3591134)

Quote
F connectors are really best suited to solid cored cable.

Uh...........show me how they work with a stranded center conductor...................

Has he ever used one? Does he understand how they work? That place never ceases to amaze.

(For those of you are barely better than he is...............they are not intended for applications where repeated insertion cycles are required. Because the center conductor is..................you fill in the blank.)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on August 10, 2013, 05:21:38 AM
F connectors are really best suited to be cheap.  And, even then, there's cheap and there's cheap.

Now, just imagine what the bad ground connections on the cheap pieces are like with higher power LTE signals close by, on the same frequencies of some of the TV channels.  Maybe cheap isn't so good, after all.   :-X
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on September 02, 2013, 12:41:10 PM
Now they are back to talking about wine.................

And how they are interested in audio quality.

Why is it that folks who claim to be interested in audio quality need a DBT to tell them what quality is.

I told one of them this, in person (although I am not sure they heard a word of it), that if you need a DBT to tell you if something sounds good or not, then you have no bidnis building audio.

Especially for a living.

Glad to know none of them seem likely to quit their day jobs.
Title: Oh, just shut the hell up........................
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on September 03, 2013, 02:47:58 PM
Quote
That's because you lack even the slightest experience in it. The day you agree to back up your audio opinions using ears only, no peeking, you might finally be able to draw an honest parallel.

OK, without going into too many petty details.............

Back when I did this audio crap for a living..............

We had to evaluate new designs. Or, changes to existing designs. There was no "peeking", as it would be totally useless. Everything was in an identical box. Sometimes, it was a production chassis, each one identical to the next. Or, in some kluge "Bud box". Again, each one identical. We did not know one from the other.

It wasn't until we decided which one we liked better (or, in some cases, hated the least), and we took the friggin' lid off did we know which one was which.

Now, I am not going to claim that makes a valid DBT, or anything close to that. The point is moot. You can either tell something good, or you can not.

We could all tell good audio gear, and we made a living building and selling it. I'm sure there are folks who can tell good wine when they drink it. They damn well better, if they are in the wine bidnis.

They don't need no steenking DBT to do that. Neither do experienced audio designers.

So, shut up already. Man, are you getting to be a killjoy and a bore. Give it a rest already.

Or get a room.............with the Village Eddyot.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on September 04, 2013, 08:30:43 AM
Maybe he's trying to fit The Devil's wisdom into his way of seeing the world, instead of the other way around. Looking for how The Devil is WRONG instead of how The Devil is RIGHT is wrong attitude.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on September 04, 2013, 10:38:27 AM
Nah.  This behavior is actually common.  In severe cases, there's even a clinical term for it.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652 (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on September 05, 2013, 04:30:47 PM
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!

Something make sense..............it between all the talk of ancient civilizations (and convoluted pseudo Neo-Nazi gobbledygook)..............

Quote
Those long lost societies;are just living under the sea with Sponge Bob.

Wish some of them would move there.....................
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on September 05, 2013, 05:04:10 PM
"If nautical nonsense be something you wish
Then drop on the deck and flop like a fish"

That was wayyyy too easy...
Title: AKA 'Snakes In Suits'....
Post by: Kryten on September 09, 2013, 06:19:08 AM
Nah.  This behavior is actually common.  In severe cases, there's even a clinical term for it.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652 (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/snakes-in-suits-when-psychopaths-go-to-work/story-e6frg8no-1111112236244

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/watch-out-for-snakes-in-suits/story-e6frgabx-1225803659132

"A sociopath has a personality disorder, not a mental illness, and it affects their actions and emotions. Itís estimated that between 1 per cent and 4 per cent of people have sociopathic tendencies. Hare used the study of criminals and of the general population to design a test now used world-wide to identify sociopaths. The 20 key traits of a sociopath include a lack of empathy, impulsivity and a failure to take responsibility for their actions. They are easily confused with another personality advice: donít trust them; avoid contact; make sure everything is documented and all details followed up; and keep your boss informed."

Sociopath...SYcopath....same, same.

Kryten.

Title: Re: AKA 'Snakes In Suits'....
Post by: MystereoN on September 09, 2013, 09:31:21 AM
Quote

Sociopath...SYcopath....same, same.


Almost the same, like SIZE or SYZE  :)

(http://jockohomo.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=66f5513c96fb7765ef3386de6e4e8698&action=dlattach;topic=64.0;attach=168)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on September 11, 2013, 12:19:22 PM
Wow...................SYze has a good story! (Too bad it doesn't involve drinking an expensive bottle of wine, driving around in some faux sports car..................)

Anyway, a certain engineer, at Collins Radio, had a habit of being.............well, let's be charitable, and call it being absent-minded or scatter brained...............

Anyway, one day, this esteemed member of the senior staff picked up his soldering iron, to scratch his nose.

I think that was the last time he made that mistake. Although, don't hold me to that.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Rickster338 on September 11, 2013, 02:32:40 PM
How about King Syze ego...Everything is "snake oil" unless it  is subjected to my rigorous program of DBT's, and It cannot sound good ...unless I say so..Symon Syze... ;D
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on September 12, 2013, 02:31:58 PM
"More the knowledge, lesser the Ego,
lesser the knowledge, more the Ego.
More the Ego, lesser the SYze,
lesser the Ego, more the SYze"
Title: Increase Your Word Power....
Post by: Kryten on September 13, 2013, 05:10:30 AM
"List all words starting with SY.....571 words found".
Lots of fun.
http://www.morewords.com/starts-with/sy/ (http://www.morewords.com/starts-with/sy/)


http://www.morewords.com/word/sycophant/ (http://www.morewords.com/word/sycophant/)
http://www.morewords.com/word/syllogism/ (http://www.morewords.com/word/syllogism/)
http://www.morewords.com/word/systolic/ (http://www.morewords.com/word/systolic/)

Kryten.
Title: More Word Power...
Post by: Kryten on September 13, 2013, 05:18:04 AM
"List all words ending with SY...162 words found.".
More fun...
http://www.morewords.com/ends-with/sy/ (http://www.morewords.com/ends-with/sy/)

Kryten.
Title: Things That Make You Go Hmmmm...
Post by: seagreen on September 13, 2013, 06:13:48 AM
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=118950.msg1252122#msg1252122 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=118950.msg1252122#msg1252122)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Rickster338 on September 13, 2013, 11:58:50 AM
Maybe J Neutron could do us all a favor and wear a tin foil hat in an electrical storm... 8)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on September 13, 2013, 12:42:26 PM
My real point was that he provided a thought out valid reason why different power and other cabling could affect the reproduced sound.  He hedged some, but he did give a technical explanation.  (He didn't go into power supply effects or anything else, but that wasn't the thread topic.)

Now, how would that fly on, say, another web site you might pick at random?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on September 13, 2013, 01:33:27 PM
Random picked web site (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/194948-how-do-power-leads-make-difference-sound.html)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on September 13, 2013, 05:00:11 PM
 :o :) :)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Rickster338 on September 13, 2013, 05:40:47 PM
What is going on here fourteen pages of pontification and not a single Symon Syez
Title: Don't they ever shut the hell up?
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on October 09, 2013, 09:24:09 PM
So, one guy is the Zen priest of audio.

The other is merely an over-educated putz. We are all so glad that he is so much smarter than all the rest of us combined, and can make overpriced ICs, for a living.

To each his own, I guess.

But, their constant insult hurling is every bit as annoying as the name-dropping they accuse the other guy of doing.(Maybe he does. Maybe he just likes to talk.) The only difference is one side has a moderator as an active participant, and they get to hurl all the insults they want. While the other guy is constantly squelched. Not really a fair fight, is it?

</rant>
Title: The Song Remains The Same.....
Post by: Kryten on October 10, 2013, 05:05:38 AM
"Hi Xxxxxx, you have been a bit quiet."

"I'm bit quiet and for several reasons:
- busy with other things (vintage camera repair for example)
- too much noise in this thread
- not interested in NDFL anymore
- the habit of the moderators who delete my posts without any notice, while leaving real BS like this one untouched.
But if you are interested in NDFL like circuits, please look at ...."

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/240712-cfa-topology-audio-amplifiers-76.html#post3661711 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/240712-cfa-topology-audio-amplifiers-76.html#post3661711)

Kryten.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on October 10, 2013, 12:55:41 PM
I had a hard time reconciling some of these:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4396.html#post3660076 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4396.html#post3660076)

vs.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4398.html#post3661219 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4398.html#post3661219)

And...

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4399.html#post3661585 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4399.html#post3661585)

vs.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/burning-amps-slow-burn (http://www.stereophile.com/content/burning-amps-slow-burn)

I suppose it's no more confusing than the foodie stuff, Japanese painting, and the ever popular wine discussions. 

Or, this:

Why is working for a company that tries very hard to provide what the market wants and is willing to pay a premium for - like Mil spec parts, for example - just fine?  But, working for a home audio company that tries very hard to provide what the market wants and is willing to pay for is evil and stupid? 

Too many questions...
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Kryten on October 29, 2013, 05:33:16 AM
"Waly just earned a vacation in the bin. And posting comments and then deleting them doesn't make it acceptable."

Lol.

Kryten.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 06, 2013, 02:18:31 PM
Gee, wonder what Waly did.................

Probably complain about "Hey, where did my last post go?"

At least things are plodding along, in their usual fashion.

Meanwhile, over at Greaser's Palace..............the trolls are back!

Ah, what else would we do for entertainment...................
Title: Ohhh, Have You Seen The Stop Press Then?
Post by: Kryten on November 07, 2013, 02:14:54 AM
So, the rejecting arseholes are backstage.
Quote
"Sorry folks, after pulling a lot of posts, it wasn't fun i assure you, i am closing this thread while we deliberate at the backstage how to proceed..and please don't bother to pm me, i will ignore pm's related to this thread..."
Did I miss something....maybe the NSA has a back-up copy.


Kryten.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 07, 2013, 02:48:23 AM
Where's the beef??
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 07, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
WHAT??? You mean we had to watch that crap, 24/7, just to keep up with the latest hot action? Bollocks.

Well, maybe they need to retire it.

Meanwhile........................Greaser's Palace is still entertaining the troll. Too bad he isn't the least bit amusing.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 07, 2013, 09:47:21 AM
And don't joke about the sodding NSA! They are watching................

I hope reading this crap gives them hemorrhoids.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 07, 2013, 11:59:15 AM
OK...  Google has a backup, then.

News flash:  http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/245471-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-iii.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/245471-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-iii.html)

It's amazing that guys like The Devil and Charlie get moderated, yet they didn't cause any of the problems.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 07, 2013, 12:02:43 PM
Meanwhile........................Greaser's Palace is still entertaining the troll. Too bad he isn't the least bit amusing.

Yes, maybe his alter-ego (Audiosteve) (https://sites.google.com/site/1hollowman/) will show up and give us some entertainment  ;D  Or maybe we will see Masterwhack's reaction before that  ;D
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 07, 2013, 12:10:22 PM
Quote
It's amazing that guys like The Devil and Charlie get moderated, yet they didn't cause any of the problems.

Really? Me thinks even their presence is creating hemorrhoids to "SOS brigade" and crushing their beliefs  ;D

SOS = all SOunds the Same
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 07, 2013, 01:12:14 PM
Great point!
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Kryten on November 07, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Some mutinous wag has posted this..
Quote
John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part III

With supposedly offending posts deleted (evidence removed) willy nilly, a long term discussion amongst many knowledgeable and experienced ones has been closed to the detriment of many due to the the actions of a few, moderators included.

I suggest an experiment ...allow this thread to be self moderating, ie allow the participants to decide who is welcome, and who is not, perhaps by an associated voting system thread.

Posts deemed offensive could be greyed down, but still retained, and the offending member voted out of participation in this thread, if deemed necessary.

There has been a fantastic amount of general and specific information donated in the now closed thread, and to see this generally beneficial thread closed down is to many, offensive.

Dan.

Kryten.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 07, 2013, 06:17:11 PM
Seems deleted already.

Plan B might be to not allow moderators to post, except in their official capacity...
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 08, 2013, 01:45:07 AM
...and plan C might be to not allow "triger happy" moderators to moderate... particullary if subject discused exceeds their mental capability.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 08, 2013, 04:47:27 AM
Since our favorite wine forum has been put in a medically induced coma, this might be of interest.  Emphasis on might.

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/10/27/how-money-can-buy-happiness-wine-edition/ (http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/10/27/how-money-can-buy-happiness-wine-edition/)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Kryten on November 08, 2013, 06:07:30 AM
I see interesting parallels in that link, and in the included links.

Dan.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Kryten on November 08, 2013, 06:12:35 AM
I got forwarded this....

Quote
Yesterday, 11:16 PM
You have received an infraction at diyAudio
Dear Max Headroom,

You have received an infraction at diyAudio.

Reason: Insulted Other Member(s)
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You have been given a penalty of 2 days in read only mode. You opened a new thread when it states clearly what has happened in part II and then commented on moderation. Both are against the rules.
-------

This infraction is worth 33 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
diyAudio
__________________
Please note: PM's sent to this account will not be answered.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Kryten on November 08, 2013, 06:24:35 AM
Then, I got forwarded this..
Quote
Yesterday, 11:21 PM
 You have received an infraction at diyAudio
Dear Max Headroom,

You have received an infraction at diyAudio.

Reason: adding up to 100
-------
.
-------

This infraction is worth 67 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
diyAudio
__________________
Please note: PM's sent to this account will not be answered.
Title: Infractions For Infractions.....Huh ?.
Post by: Kryten on November 08, 2013, 06:28:34 AM
Quote
You have received an infraction at diyAudio.

Reason: adding up to 100
-------
.
-------

This infraction is worth 67 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

That's the bit that I don't get.....
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 08, 2013, 07:01:14 AM
Inflation?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 08, 2013, 08:24:09 AM
Rounding?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 08, 2013, 10:32:58 AM
DSD - 1 bit resolution...
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 08, 2013, 05:48:58 PM
Uh................Kryten and Mysterion need to be careful who they associate with. No telling who that trouble-making Dan guy is. (Assumes they are members there.) They may give you infraction points, just for being a known associate of a trouble maker.

Funny thing about that place...................the Mods like to talk........a lot. And they talk to their buddies. Who in turn like to talk to their buddies. Back when some of us had accounts there, we eventually found out all they were doing. None of them could keep their mouth shut, and the same for their buddies. Somehow, all of their private secrets were no longer private. Or secret.

Lucky for us!
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 08, 2013, 06:00:27 PM
"If you see a post that needs moderator attention or if you just need help, please use the "Report Post" button. This button is the red triangle found under the persons name, of the post you wish to report. This is the quickest way to get the attention of the moderation team."

Last time I did that, I was put in the Sin Bin. I complained about a crook, and they took out their wrath on me. Shortly after that, they booted me. True story.

So much for their rules.

You notice they don't want to talk about Mods editing offensive posts. Not only did one do that, he edited his own, whenever he was caught in a lie. (One of those dirty secrets they tried to keep secret.)

I guess they knew that we knew, and that is why they got rid a lot of us.

The rules read like the Gestapo is in charge. Seig heil.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 09, 2013, 08:32:54 AM
Quote
Uh................Kryten and Mysterion need to be careful who they associate with.

There are two of us, me My-Stereo-N & my twin, My-Sterio-N. We are often interchanged. He is super hero, actually a wolf in sheep's clothing and I am more humble, more like sheep in wolf's clothing.

Do you think Mods over there will differentiate us or will they charge innocent one with infraction points? It is better that one innocent people suffer than that one guilty walk free?

 ;D
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 09, 2013, 09:44:55 AM
How the hell did I spell that wrong? Senior citizen moment, I guess. I really do know how yours is spelled. My mistake.

So, if I can make that mistake, not knowing there is someone with a similar name.............well, I think all they have to do is to click on the offender's profile, so the chances they will get the wrong one are low.

But............knowing them and their penchant for assuming every troublemaker is me and/or Phred (some will claim we are the same), they might just nuke both of you.

And speaking of secrets..................you would not believe how many times Phred has called me up, and chastised me for not picking out his latest sock puppet. The fact that is newest alter ego posts in sub-forums that I never read seems to evade him. I think he has grown out of that, but since he never tells me any more, it is possible he is still there.

Maybe as Dan Max Headroom................who knows? Certainly not me.

Not that I care. I am just there for the yuks, regardless of who supplies them.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Kryten on November 11, 2013, 05:24:56 AM
Haha, Phred is innocent.....this time.

Kryten.


<Edit: We will assume Phred is innocent.>
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 14, 2013, 10:32:48 PM
Talked to you-know-who. I get the feeling "his" thread will have to trod onward, without his assistance.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 15, 2013, 10:11:24 AM
What is it about audio?

Mark Levinson couldn't use his name after getting the shaft either.  Not that he was entirely innocent in the matter.

Oh well.  Saves me a few minutes out of my day.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 15, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
I  think in this case it is solely a reflection on what is wrong with forums. We all know folks who have crossed swords with the PTB at that place. Humorless notzys, who play favorites.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 16, 2013, 05:22:00 AM
A number of peeps are conspicuous by their absence, including a charter member of the PTB.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 16, 2013, 06:31:01 PM
Funny how that works out.................

Lends credence to the theory he is only in that thread to "get" his buddy, you-know-who.

With friends like him....................
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 19, 2013, 06:02:22 PM
Meanwhile........................Greaser's Palace is still entertaining the troll. Too bad he isn't the least bit amusing.

Yes, maybe his alter-ego (Audiosteve) (https://sites.google.com/site/1hollowman/) will show up and give us some entertainment  ;D  Or maybe we will see Masterwhack's reaction before that  ;D

Speaking of which.................

Hollow Head is over at The Pub, showing his tookus. And amazing knowledge on all things volume control-wise.

Oy vey...............

Ok, if they get mad at him, and assign him x points, will he start another website blaming me for it?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 20, 2013, 02:37:27 AM
Perhaps Monte will take the heat...
Title: Tell us how you really feel!
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on December 30, 2013, 04:28:39 PM
Quote
SY, you know nothing about the audio business. I deeply resent your input on what you are not qualified to have such strong opinions on.

My version would be a bit harsher. Brain surgeon syndrome.

You note that I never tell them about polymers.

Hey, it is all just plastic, so what is the big deal?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on December 30, 2013, 06:08:14 PM
I saw that, too.  And, thought pretty much the same as you.

You have to wonder what the problem is.

Some time, when you're really bored, trace the history of tribolectric effects with this fellow...
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Kryten on December 31, 2013, 12:27:52 AM
Quote
....You have to wonder what the problem is....
This is the problem.... "Snakes In Suits: When Psychopaths Go To Work"
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/snakes-in-suits-when-psychopaths-go-to-work/story-e6frg8no-1111112236244

Kryten.

http://www.mtpinnacle.com/pdfs/psycophaths-at-work.pdf (http://www.mtpinnacle.com/pdfs/psycophaths-at-work.pdf)
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on December 31, 2013, 06:15:20 AM
Yup - it's definitely the weather.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on January 15, 2014, 01:46:23 PM
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4683.html#post3779256 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-4683.html#post3779256)

No comment.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: MystereoN on November 13, 2014, 04:33:22 PM
maybe they will post Blowtorch schematic: http://www.linearaudio.net/index.php (http://www.linearaudio.net/index.php)

All very well known authors, including some of Jocko's favorites  ;D No JC among them - not yet  ;)


....and 4 years later.....

Look ma, who is the most productive writer with 7 articles?
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: Gen. Dreedle on November 13, 2014, 09:21:42 PM
Hey, that is not fair!

Two articles are book reviews.......................2 more are a 2-part article about.........well, who gives a crap.
Title: Re: Blowtorch preamp schematics
Post by: seagreen on November 15, 2014, 03:39:46 AM
Perhaps suitable for a review:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Narcissist-Next-Door-Understanding/dp/1594486360 (http://www.amazon.com/The-Narcissist-Next-Door-Understanding/dp/1594486360)